Idk why you guys are so obsessed about millionaires here. We aren’t some evil devils that you can put all the blame for your problems on. It’s just life some are wealthier some are poorer. It was like that since forever and it will be like this forever except in this system you also have a chance for success unlike feudalism where everything was 100% predetermined.
In literally every system that ever existed there was someone wealthier and someone poorer what matters is the dynamics, can the poorer become wealthy, can the wealthy lose money if they stop being productive proportionally to their wealth? This is the problem
Idk why you guys are so obsessed about millionaires here
Because they keep denying they’re the 1% and claim to be “middle class” and need tax breaks because the 0.1% exist.
When they’re still causing problems for the rest of the 99%
It was like that since forever and it will be like this forever
At this point, it’s real hard to think you’re not trolling…
Like just statistically, very very few people would ever legitimately try to use that argument these days after sooooooooooo many people have been shooting it down for centuries.
If progress wasn’t possible, shit wouldn’t have fucking progressed.
“Middle of what?” is a good question to ask. If you’re in the top 2%, or even 10%, you’re not middle class. More money than 90% of everyone else is not the middle class.
Flipping it around, if 0% means 100% of the country is richer than you, and 99% means 99% of the country is poorer than you…
0~20% is lower class.
20~40% is lower-middle class.
40~60% is middle class
60~80% is upper-middle class.
80~100% is upper class.
Now, I couldn’t find quick figures for wealth. But for income, middle class household income topped out at $94,000 in 2022. So a household making more than $100,000 is probably not middle class.
“But my household makes over $100,000/yr and we don’t live a middle class life style!”… that’s probably because you’ve been sold the idea that an upper[-middle] class lifestyle is actually “middle class”. It’s not. The lifestyle you’d have at about $80,000 household income is a middle class lifestyle.
“Well, I might make over $100,000/yr household income, but I’m definitely not middle class because i make less than that after tax!”…nope, these calculations are usually before tax. You aren’t middle class.
“This doesn’t apply to me. I have 3 kids and a dependent spouse, so my $100,000+ doesn’t go as far as a single person’s would!”…sorry, still not middle-class.
This is not my understanding of the class system. It’s not divided evenly mathematically. Many years ago, this was most likely the case, but I would argue that unless you’re at least in the top third percentage for income, you probably aren’t living a “middle class” life. Features of what we used to call middle class, and I argue still should, are things like owning a home, going on vacations, and having a retirement account.
Reducing the idea of middle class to statistics normalizes things like living paycheck to paycheck because that’s what median income earners in this country do. That will never be middle class to me. That’s working class at best and more like working poor. I would love for everyone to have what I think of as a middle class life, but it’s sadly out of reach for most of us.
Middle class is not median income. It is a lifestyle that is enabled by income that fewer and fewer people can attain.
Liberalism or rather liberal social democracy is greatest system ever devised. I cherish it every single day like a treasure of humanity it is.
It’s so good everyone tries to get here from all over the world to partake in it and I welcome them if they are willing to obey basic rules and integrate.
Idk why you guys are so obsessed about millionaires here. We aren’t some evil devils that you can put all the blame for your problems on. It’s just life some are wealthier some are poorer. It was like that since forever and it will be like this forever except in this system you also have a chance for success unlike feudalism where everything was 100% predetermined.
In literally every system that ever existed there was someone wealthier and someone poorer what matters is the dynamics, can the poorer become wealthy, can the wealthy lose money if they stop being productive proportionally to their wealth? This is the problem
Because they keep denying they’re the 1% and claim to be “middle class” and need tax breaks because the 0.1% exist.
When they’re still causing problems for the rest of the 99%
At this point, it’s real hard to think you’re not trolling…
Like just statistically, very very few people would ever legitimately try to use that argument these days after sooooooooooo many people have been shooting it down for centuries.
If progress wasn’t possible, shit wouldn’t have fucking progressed.
Quick edit:
Completely unsurprised by that post history
Millionaires aren’t necessarily the 1%. It’s not until about $13 million in the US that someone’s in the 1% of wealth.
This is truly insane. And yet millionaires will look at this statistic and use it to justify calling themselves middle class.
I like to use quintiles to define the classes.
“Middle of what?” is a good question to ask. If you’re in the top 2%, or even 10%, you’re not middle class. More money than 90% of everyone else is not the middle class.
Flipping it around, if 0% means 100% of the country is richer than you, and 99% means 99% of the country is poorer than you…
Now, I couldn’t find quick figures for wealth. But for income, middle class household income topped out at $94,000 in 2022. So a household making more than $100,000 is probably not middle class.
“But my household makes over $100,000/yr and we don’t live a middle class life style!”… that’s probably because you’ve been sold the idea that an upper[-middle] class lifestyle is actually “middle class”. It’s not. The lifestyle you’d have at about $80,000 household income is a middle class lifestyle.
“Well, I might make over $100,000/yr household income, but I’m definitely not middle class because i make less than that after tax!”…nope, these calculations are usually before tax. You aren’t middle class.
“This doesn’t apply to me. I have 3 kids and a dependent spouse, so my $100,000+ doesn’t go as far as a single person’s would!”…sorry, still not middle-class.
You’ve invented your own nonsense system that isn’t anything like how anyone uses the word.
Income quintiles are quite commonly researched and discussed
This is not my understanding of the class system. It’s not divided evenly mathematically. Many years ago, this was most likely the case, but I would argue that unless you’re at least in the top third percentage for income, you probably aren’t living a “middle class” life. Features of what we used to call middle class, and I argue still should, are things like owning a home, going on vacations, and having a retirement account.
Reducing the idea of middle class to statistics normalizes things like living paycheck to paycheck because that’s what median income earners in this country do. That will never be middle class to me. That’s working class at best and more like working poor. I would love for everyone to have what I think of as a middle class life, but it’s sadly out of reach for most of us.
Middle class is not median income. It is a lifestyle that is enabled by income that fewer and fewer people can attain.
There are different schools of thought.
Some schools of thought say that anyone who has to work for their money (including business owners) are not upper class.
I like going with the statistical middle class because it’s less subjective regarding what it’s actually the middle.
I can be less subjective. To afford the things I described I would assume a two earner household with income greater than $150k.
That’s approaching the top 10% of household incomes in the US. It seems odd to me to refer to that portion of the distribution as “middle”
Liberalism or rather liberal social democracy is greatest system ever devised. I cherish it every single day like a treasure of humanity it is.
It’s so good everyone tries to get here from all over the world to partake in it and I welcome them if they are willing to obey basic rules and integrate.
Woe to communists and facists alike
I was about to upvote the funny satire then I read the rest of the comment and… you’re serious.
Of course I am serious…