By accident I noticed that one instance had more japanese posts in the all feed than the other one. I thought maybe the other instance has certain languages filtered or they might be defederated from certain instances, but neither was the case. I found out that the other instance just fetches the posts from other instances much slower (days).

Then I decided to open 10+ (popular to fairly popular) instances and compare how quickly or slowly they sync with each other.

It’s really bad and really random. Some instances sync perfectly with each other, some take hours, some take days, some take months…
I do not use Mastodon but if I did, finding that out would just make me not want to use it.

It reminds me of that time when there was a bug in Lemmy which made the federation broken, and that was very annoying, but we knew that there was a bug and that it was being worked on, and it was fixed fairly quickly.

But on Mastodon, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t even depend on the version the server is running, it truly just seems random.

It just seems odd to me that Mastodon (more popular and older software than Lemmy) would have such a glaring issue.

Wouldn’t that be the first priority of every federated platform? For federation to work properly, because if it doesn’t, then it can’t compete with the centralized ones at all.

  • dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de
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    Servers not having the same content in their “all” feeds is not a bug, it’s by design. The design philosophy for Mastodon (and I’d say the fediverse as a whole) is to let the users curate their own feeds instead of showing them everything or algorithmically guessing what they might be interested in. Servers will only receive posts from accounts that at least one of this server’s accounts is subscribed to. Having every post federate to every server even if nobody there is interested in those posts would be a waste of resources.

    Yes, that makes discovery of new content significantly harder but that’s the tradeoff for being able to host your own small instance without the need for a super powerful server. I can run my instance that serves just a couple of users on a 10-year-old server that runs a dozen other things at the same time. We see the stuff we’re interested in and don’t have to spend disk space, processing power and network bandwidth on content none of us will ever read and neither do we have to spend those resources on sending our posts to other instances where nobody will read them.

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      The ‘All’ feed really needs to be renamed, because, yeah, it’s not ‘All’, and it will never, ever be ‘All’, as no one AP-based website knows about the existence of any other without someone manually initiating contact between them.

      There is no ‘All’. There is only 'Remote content someone locally has sought out and subscribed to". Projects gotta find a more appropriate term for it.