Esk 🐌⚡💜 (@esk@hachyderm.io)
hachyderm.io
@thisismissem @mekkaokereke @dma so stats, based on dec 2024 exit run rate (rounded for simplicity): #hachyderm costs about $1600/mo to run. this is up somewhat, as we've started to add some infra as part of our resilience plan announced in nov. we currently have about: - 55000 users - 9700 MAU - 3.7M toots yielding: - $.03/user/mo - $.16/active user/mo - $.0004/toot from a raw compute & storage perspective. again, this is based on 100% volunteer work. today, our mods and infra folk graciously donate their time to keep this thing going. hypothetically, if we paid them, say, $120k USD/yr (chose this to make the math cleaner), that would add $10k/person/mo to the cost. if we go with a staff of eight (mix of mod & infra), that adds $80k/mo to the run rate, for a total of $81,600/mo, yielding: - $1.48/user/mo - $8.41/active user/mo - the toot figure is silly, so i'm not calculating it again :blobfoxlaugh: orders of magnitude of difference. we could argue about the staff size - i went with roughly what we have today and assumed we made everyone full time so they could hachy for 32/hr/wk vs. calculating the number of hours we actually work. e.g. maybe we could it out at ~$4.50/user/mo, but still a multiple orders of magnitude bump from the raw infra cost.
  • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
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    15 hours ago

    Now, take half of the instance admins. More likely than not, the instance will simply stop existing.

    And then the people will move elsewhere

    Isn’t that the point of federation, to be able to use another node if needed?

    • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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      5 hours ago

      Isn’t that the point of federation?

      No. Being able to move is an advantage compared to centralized platforms, but it is not the “point” of it. It makes the system overall more robust, but it doesn’t guarantee or protect the individuals that are part of it.

      Do you think that the world wide web would reach the size that it has today if websites had such a short shelf-life? Of course not. It would remain just a geeky curiosity, just like Lemmy or Mastodon. There is a reason why Bluesky is adding one million users per week while we are here counting the same dozen of active people since summer 2023. People generally do not care about how the system works, they just want to something that helps them achieve their goals or solves their problems.

      • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
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        1 hour ago

        There is a reason why Bluesky is adding one million users per week while we are here counting the same dozen of active people since summer 2023.

        I know you like hyperboles, but Bsky’s growth slowed quite a bit:

        The main reason it’s much more successful than Mastodon is content discoverability

        People generally do not care about how the system works, they just want to something that helps them achieve their goals or solves their problems.

        Agreed. And the problem Reddit and Lemmy solve is becoming a niche issue

        • rglullis@communick.newsOPEnglish
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          44 minutes ago

          Bsky’s growth slowed quite a bit

          What a silly remark. Yeah, of course (percentage-wise) they slowed down. Do you think that would see 190% growth every month?

          The main reason it’s much more successful than Mastodon is content discoverability

          You are talking about the symptoms, but you are ignoring the diagnostic. The reason that Bluesky has a superior product at the moment is because they HAVE MONEY. They can go and hire people, they can invest in infrastructure, they can spend on marketing, they can go cut out deals with other service providers.

          Meanwhile, the Mastodon devs are all sharing the belief that they are saints who are working “for the community”. Sorry, it’s not enough. We are not going to amount to much if our ambitions are that low.

          And the problem Reddit and Lemmy solve is becoming a niche issue

          It doesn’t matter the format. This is not (specifically) about Reddit, or Twitter, or Instagram or TikTok.

          This is a discussion about a model that can keep sustainable development and operations of an open web. ActivityPub as whole allows us to think in much broader terms than “replacing Reddit” or "replacing Youtube. The format of “popular social media” may change, but the fact that people will always have an interest in consuming, creating and sharing content will always be there.