• NeilBrü@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    For the record, we average citizens don’t want to be the “world police”. This is what President Eisenhower was referring to as the “Military Industrial Complex”.

    Starting in  the  1980s,  the  United  States,  which  insisted  on  strict  terms  for  the  re-payment of  Third  World  debt,  itself  accrued  debts  that  easily  dwarfed those  of  the  entire  Third  World  combined — mainly  fueled  by  military spending.  The  U.S.  foreign  debt,  though,  takes  the  form  of  treasury bonds  held  by  institutional  investors  in  countries  (Germany,  Japan, South  Korea,  Taiwan,  Thailand,  the  Gulf  States)  that  are  in  most  cases, effectively,  U.S.  military  protectorates,  most  covered  in  U.S.  bases  full of  arms  and  equipment  paid  for  with  that  very  deficit  spending.

    This has  changed  a  little  now  that  China  has  gotten  in  on  the  game  (China is  a  special  case,  for  reasons  that  will  be  explained  later),  but  not  very much — even  China  finds  that  the  fact  it  holds  so  many  U.S.  treasury bonds  makes  it  to  some  degree  beholden  to  U.S.  interests,  rather  than the  other  way  around.

    So  what  is  the  status  of  all  this  money  continually  being  funneled into  the  U.S.  treasury?  Are  these  loans?  Or is it tribute? In the past, military  powers  that  maintained  hundreds  of  military  bases  outside their  own  home  territory  were  ordinarily  referred  to  as  “empires,”  and empires  regularly  demanded  tribute  from  subject  peoples. The  U.S. government,  of  course,  insists  that  it  is  not  an  empire — but  one  could easily  make  a  case  that  the  only  reason  it  insists  on  treating  these  payments as  “loans”  and  not  as  “tribute”  is  precisely  to  deny  the  reality of  what’s  going  on.

    • Except from the Beginning of David Graeber’s Debt: The First 5,000 Years
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      12 hours ago

      Nobody else appointed the US as “world police”.

      It’s a role that they gleefully took on so they could go around telling others what to do.

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      The young left has become the world moral police and it has nothing to do with the military, right wing uses the military. The young left is just using shit slinging. But Americans need to get to the back of the line when it comes to moralizing or leading global issues, the rest of the world doesn’t want to hear it from Americans

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        I don’t understand anything you just typed. Who’s “young left”? The global “young left”? You think only the “right wing” uses the military?

        And who should be leading global issues? Europeans? Chinese? Russians? Indians? G8? G20? UN? Who?

        Or is it that Americans are the only ones who can’t or shouldn’t be allowed to “lead” or “moralize”?

        Genuinely confused.

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          13 hours ago

          Yes, Americans need to shut up, we don’t wanna hear it, fix your damn country before you start criticizing others. You only cheapen a movement by leading out and infecting it with your toxicity.

          It’s hard to explain who the “left” is in the US right now because you all think the left means just you and your group of friends. You are all punching left and fighting each other while the right is united and you guys let them win. You’re all so weird and you can’t see it from the inside, but the rest of us around the world don’t want to hear your opinion anymore

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            10 hours ago

            Opinion on what? Your country? The world? Geopolitics? What Americans are moralizing about anything to you? And about what? The young left? Who is the American version of Greta Thunberg?

            I moved to the Netherlands from the US in '22 out of necessity due to my Dutch wife’s medical diagnosis. I’m not here for the fun of it. Furthermore, I’ve been to 12 countries in total and I speak four languages, 2 of them fluently.

            I’ve noticed something.

            Every rural shit-heel out here in the Dutch countryside complaining about Moroccans and Turks sounds like a typical MAGA pussy to me. This breed of mouth breather has an iteration specific to every country I’ve been in. I’m sure I’ll find versions in Japan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Angola, Paraguay, and everywhere else someone says “god damned <insertEthnicSlurHere>, breathing up all our air.”

            So don’t preach to me how fucking “enlightened” the rest of the world is when the conservative puritanical nationalism that is in every conservative talking point globally got its birth right here in this part of the fucking world (Europe) before the United States even existed.

            I don’t know where you’re from but this tide of authoritarianism is global. The United States is a dumpster fire politically. But that fire did not start there and it’s clearly not the only trash receptacle burning right now.