Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

  • realitista@lemmus.org
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    1 day ago

    The difference is that I don’t get banned/censored on western instances for criticizing Trump or US military interventions.

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      16 hours ago

      criticizing trump or us military interventions is pretty much all i do on ml, grad, hexbear

      i eventually leave or get banned from the anarcho lib comms for doing that.

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        16 hours ago

        Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.

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          9 hours ago

          You can criticize them as long as you aren’t doing so from a liberal, anti-communist perspective. The genuine flaws of existing socialism are better analyzed by those that actually study socialism and socialist countries.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              2 hours ago

              You were temp-banned, for dogmatically repeating debunked claims pushed by liberals, in the face of evidence to the contrary. You appear to be free to comment there.

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                Didnt know it was temp. Thank you

                One was more despite the evidence of clear worker rights violations that was argued was fine because the state is “the workers”. The second I got called to provide evidence (which sure no probs there) but then silenced lmao. Super frustrating.

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                  What you called “clear worker rights violations,” was just the fact that unions are required to be a part of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions, and aren’t allowed to be independent from that federation. This isn’t a violation of worker rights, though, as the only purpose rogue unions would serve is undermining the socialist system, and would be vulnerable to foreign backing (such as from the US Empire).

                  The socialist state is already run by the working classes, I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the Theory and History of Socialist Governance to get a better idea of how and why socialist countries hold the structures they do. Roland Boer also has a good book called Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners, which is more specifically about the PRC and goes beyond the structures of governance to the more broad system of socialism in China.

                  Regarding your participation in MeanwhileOnGrad, you should know that EmoPunker cut off the final replies, where they called defenders of Pol Pot “genuine socialists.” These are the kinds of posts on that comm, they selectively remove context that makes themselves look worse, deliberately misframe reasonable comments, and the comm itself is run by a zionist. This kind of anti-communist bar is a gathering spot for genuine fascists, but it seems you’re fine with participating there.

                  • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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                    19 minutes ago

                    I’m curious if you have any good video essays, I really enjoy learning while doing things, which is much more difficult with reading, though I have started Socialism With Chinese Characteristics and it is interesting!

                  • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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                    1 hour ago

                    Fair point those workers trying to organize against unfair labor practices would undermine the state. The state was surely handling super well already actually. /s

                    Thank you for the reads though i will check those out even if we disagree on this so fat

        • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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          16 hours ago

          we have reservations about, and criticize them all the time.

          what i don’t really see being tolerated is insistent propaganda talking points or trolling, and even then most will talk to you if you are reasonable.

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            16 hours ago

            Insistent propaganda talking points and trolling are tolerated if they are from the Russian or China/CCP perspective. Honestly that’s about all there is on their news or politics discussions.

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      You don’t get banned on hex, grad, or ml for it either, either. People should really check the mod logs a few times daily.

      • realitista@lemmus.org
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        I’ve gotten banned and censored from communities there for saying that Ukraine should fight back against Russia.

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                20 hours ago

                Where did I say civilians? That’s just the pretext they used to silence any words against Russia.

                • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  7 hours ago

                  What do you think people need to be punished implies?

                  Asking as have seen way too many say it totally only means the bad ones especially when talking about areas they believe everyone in the area are fair game

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                    3 hours ago

                    I didn’t use those words. Stop putting words in my mouth. If you can’t make the case with the words I actually said, you can’t make the case.

                    I mean taking out oil facilities, energy facilities, government facilities, and homes of politicians and military leaders who support the war. But in St. Petersburg and Moscow.

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                    16 hours ago

                    That is untrue. I never said it. And for the record I only believe in hitting military targets and those of politicians and military officials involved in the war.

                    Also I think you are cherry picking. They have censored me more times than that. Maybe it was on my now defunct lemm.ee account.