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I like people not being taken over against their will. I hate all current governments none are remotely good.

So you can’t do basic arithmatic either. Fuck off illiterate racist bigot.

Fuck off racist bigot.

I watched Tiananmen Square happen. Your lies can’t stop the truth.

I didn’t define personal property, my bad. I didn’t think I needed to.

Personal property is anything that one can own that is used regularly for their daily lives. This wouldn’t include multiple residences that one rarely, if ever, uses. Those empty real estate “investments” all over every city in the US would be Private property and therefore abolished.

You are correct, I’m taking a bottom up view as opposed to top down, because I find that method helps to manage the corruption of the ruling class. I don’t see the PRC controlling their ruling class as much as I see them controlling the lives of the workers. Same for the US. I HATE ALL the liars at the top that steal from the people, and enrich themselves to the detriment of us all.

I can see the argument that lemonade kid could be considered petty bourgeoisie in the current situation, especially in the US, since the other kids may not have the means to set up their own, but I assumed we were speaking in theory, not what is in practice for that bit.

I read the lengthy explanation, thanks. I can see that the outward explanation does try to align with socialist principles, in practice I have the same gripe about the PRC as I do of the US. They don’t need to know that much about you or me. No government ever does good things with that type of information, and it will always lead to suppression of the workers. I will give the PRC credit that they seem to be heading in the right direction, but let’s not pretend that it is a socialist utopia. As I said, from the outside, and speaking with a lot of your tourists and immigrants, the PRC looks a lot more capitalistic than socialist.

I do agree that if they tried to go full on communist that is practically inviting the CIA to try to destabilize the country. I just think that if any country actually wanted to support their workers, they would get rid of their billionaires. I also don’t believe any of the governments have any incentive to change the status quo, unless we threaten to burn the whole place down. Peaceful protesting isn’t working. Shooting people seems to get more attention.

I’m rubber you’re glue.

There you go, is that understandable to your infantile mind? Fuck off, illiterate racist bigot.

The only one projecting here is you. Fuck off, illiterate racist bigot.

Fuck off, racist bigot.

Who is the Gang of Four? I assume I could look it up, but you do seem to be somewhat consistently verbose.

The one kid having a lemonade stand would fall into personal property. Billionaires are a different thing. Stop creating strawmen. Billionaires are nothing but thieves of the masses.

Billionaires exist anywhere because the whole world sucks capitalist dick. Billionaires only exist because the workers have a boot on their necks, and greedy thieves aren’t prosecuted by the state for wage theft.

Capitalism - an economic system that allows for Private (not personal) property and says that money is the only thing that matters. It’s more complex than that, but that’s the core.

Socialism - a worker owned state that gradually abolishes all private, but not personal, property, and works towards a stateless currency-less society.

Communism - a stateless, currency-less society in which the universal safety floor doesn’t allow anyone to be impoverished, and by necessity outlaws extreme wealth as it is unhealthy. Unfortunately can only be implemented world wide at a time.

Billionaires of any type are nothing but thieves. Any country that is actually worker controlled would not allow them to exist in the first place.

Tell me you didn’t understand what I said, without telling me you didn’t understand what I said.

Congratulations you have now convinced me that the reason people hate MLers isn’t because they think they don’t like communism. It’s because all of you are illiterate assholes.