We’re almost there…

I know and what I’m saying is that all those project are moving very slowly while projects like GraphneOS/LineageOS already offer open, privacy oriented phones with good hardware and lot’s of apps. This is simply where more effort is going, where we’re seeing more progress and our best chance at getting “Linux phones”.

Yes, Android has issues but what I’m saying is that so far Linux on phones really hasn’t been able to compete. No one want’s a phone with no camera, no GPS, no apps and terrible battery. Making Linux phones is just super difficult and sadly I don’t see it happening anytime soon. Android is a good platform with lots of hardware and apps. You have Fairphone offering long tern support, f-droid offering privacy oriented apps and LineageOS offering stable OS. Getting more phoes to support it is a better bet than getting Linux to properly work on modern phones.

Yes, it’s all true but the issue is you can already do a lot of those things with a lot of cheap hardware that is is simply easier to support than old phones. And when it comes to phones being phones Android is really good and has a lot of apps. I think the problem with Linux phones getting more popular is that the overlap between desktop/server and mobile is very small. I mean I use my phone only for phone things and a lot of things I do on my phone I can do only on my phone (e.g. charging an electric car is basically impossible without a Android/iPhone). Having a phone that can do some things desktop/server can do but can’t do a lot of things a phone can do is pretty much pointless at this point.

When we’ll get a proper Linux phone with full Android apps support and convergence it will be really awesome but I just don’t think there’s enough interest to get there at this point.

I honestly don’t really get what there is to gain by using “Desktop Linux”.

More freedom I guess. I remember my n900 and how fun it was to just ssh into it and dig in my home directory, install apps with packet manger, edit config files with vi and so on. It really felt like having small Linux machine in my pocket. With Android everything is definitely more locked up but then again, I’m not sure what would I do if it was more open. Writing apps for Android is easier than for desktop (or just as easy), there are no more hardware keyboard phones so using terminal on them is terrible anyway and phones just work anyway so there’s no need to mess with the configuration. Personally I mostly gave up on the ‘Linux phone’ idea and if I need any new features I will simply write cross platform app that runs on Android (for example with tauri).

AOSP. Sad but true.

When first pinephone came out I really believed it’s heading somewhere. It thought that it will be kind of like raspberry Pi (fun, cheap platform to play with) and that we’ll quickly see copycats and it will slowly grow the way Linux on desktop did. AFAIK nothing like this happened. You still can’t get a phone with decent Linux support which for me shows that we’re stuck with android. I think most people that would help Linux phone happen are simply satisfied with LineageOS so there’s no incentive to put as much effort into it as it requires.

I read somewhere about some secret tooth cherished by some sect that was destroyed by grinding it to dust, mixing with shit and throwing in to the ocean. But guess what? Some fishermen said that he totally found the tooth restored floating on a leaf next to the place where they threw it out. You can’t fight believes with real world methods.

You will be shocked but absolutely everything in Catholicism is based on myth and “cool story bro” scenarios.

Backmarket FTW

Wow, I have no idea what copilot is and why would you want to hide the desktop. It used to be you had ‘show desktop’ button on the task bar. I guess I’ve been happily using Linux for too long.

Yes, I’m happy you’re starting to understand. It’s the same as with solar. It just shines on cars and they drive. You don’t need to build anything like panels or hydrogen storage or pipes to move it. It’s simply free energy. Like coal.

What’s wrong with clevo rebrands?

Yeah, coal is also free. I just lays there in the ground. It doesn’t cost any money to make it. Obviously you need infrastructure to mine it and burn it but other than that it’s free. Right?

Flying cars will be the future but I wouldn’t buy a flying car today.

Brain-computer interfaces will be the future but I wouldn’t implant a chip in my brain today.

Personal AI assistants will be the future but I wouldn’t pay $350 for ChatGPT today.

Lot’s of things will be great in the future. Bringing it up in the context of existing, silly products is a bit pointless.

Except it’s you that keeps writing stupid shit like “solar is free”.

Yep, that’s what you’ve been saying. Solar generates hydrogen for free. Just like that. You just park you car in the sun and it moves. Unlike a supercharger which has to be build hydrogen is just there. No buildings needed. Exactly what you said. Word for word.

Another great point.

Sure, “when proven wrong, scream strawman!”. During this entire discourse you didn’t come up with a single argument to support your position and now you complain that I’m not changing my mind. Mind boggling.

Yes, because the hydrogen just appears there. No machinery needed. It just forms pushes cars. For free. Amazing!

Generally folk minimizing are in support of the thing they claim to be in opposition of.

That’s a really dumb statement. Being realistic is not minimizing. Minimizing is not supporting.

If I create a post saying “Climate change will kills us all by 2025” and you’ll will disagree you’re minimizing and supporting oil industry? Not agreeing with obviously wrong statements is now bootlicking?

Basically for you, anything that’s not agreeing with the groupthink is supporting the other side, no matter the arguments. This sort of stupid, reactionary thinking only creates bubbles and turns away potential supporters. It’s like when protesters in US were calling for ‘abolishing police’ and anyone trying to explain it’s unrealistic and de-founding should be the goal was shut down as police supported. Where did it get the protesters? No where. So good luck with your fight. You will also get nowhere.