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So yes, you think this is normal human behaviour. Good luck with that shit, i hope the world treats you with the same energy.

I’d love to take the credit but i actually stole it from that link that made the rounds on Hacker News

Dude, we work for the same company and I could have typed that in, and maybe I did. I wanted your experience with it, that’s why I asked you.

To me it’s like sending the “let me google that for you” link to answer a question. It’s just bad form. I don’t want your whole reasoning trace man, i just want to know what you understand of it and maybe you’ll catch some detail i’m missing or whatever. It’s simple, i won’t read LLM output, my colleagues know it and i get shit for it but no i am not digesting this material for you. Give me a 3 bullet-point version in your own words, the point is not just in the data exchange it’s also to make sure you are aware of the answer and we have a common truth.

Or failing that, just give me the fucking prompt and at least i’ll know if you understand the question.

I see, that’s interesting. I do a lot of transcoding but offline so i don’t have usage for such a cache. I’ve tested various storage solutions but on my setup, transcoding is always CPU-bound, even on old ass HDDs the bottleneck is never I/O.

Yeah i specifically don’t do any AI workloads on my server, that would be stupid slow with my old ass hardware. But my buddy (who’s a bit impulsive with money) bought two Spark GX10s and we’re likely to get some fun out of them :)

VMs mostly

oh yeah i see how that can be hungry

What are you hosting on Minecraft that isn’t using >=4 gigs?

Just a vanilla server i play on with my son, it’s got 2G and i haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary. Chunk gen is slow-ish but i suppose that’s CPU-bound.

BTW i exagerated in my initial comment, i looked at the machine and it’s sitting just under 8G of used RAM.

Also ZFS

Jesus christ 😅 no idea if you’re jesting

Serious question, what does RAM help with in the context of self hosting? I recently bought 32G for my server, and it’s DDR3 ecc so it’s so cheap I could have afforded 64 but I just kept wondering what will I use it for? I rarely go north of 6G usage and that’s with half a dozen services, a Minecraft server etc… I just don’t know what kind of services are RAM hungry.

Oh man believe me I’m all for it. I totally understand having an approach of engineering that is not bankable or tailored for Californian degen culture.

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with your stance. Just saying it will become an aesthetic niche just like there’s some people who still track music on magnetic tape when it would be exponentially faster to use cubase.

I don’t have your specific axe to grind against AI but my personal angle is to only use old hardware and make software that runs on it.

Not everything has to be superlative, and self imposed constraints are great for quality of life.

Exactly. And a commit is a commit. Unless it’s 10Kloc in one go you can just read what’s in it and decide for yourself.

At my previous job we used to jokingly (?) tell our engineering manager “no commits, no opinions” well I think it’s kinda like that.

And that’s great for you but I still think you’ll be in a minority. Which is not necessarily bad of course.

Open Source devs mostly come from the industry and the penetration of agentic coding in the industry has been massive over the last six months. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything of this scale.

I think disclosure is good and should be tackled as soon as possible because being transparent in your communication is just good practice in general.

However I feel like this will soon be rendered useless as all projects will move to agentic (or otherwise ai-assisted) coding.

Maybe there’ll be a movement of hand coded FOSS but realistically they’ll have a hard time. Resources are already tight for most projects, and rejecting productivity in favor of aesthetics is a rich guy’s strategy.

This whole debacle is showing that people fundamentally misunderstand how code works. They are trying to declare code good or code bad because of some silly heuristics like ai/not-ai, as if it wasn’t literal lines of text which you can read before you form an opinion and make a fool of yourself.

Is it appropriate to ask a stranger a question by first calling their work “slop” ? Is that how you communicate with people ? How is that working out irl ?

Y’all are so immersed in bully culture that this seems normal to you smh

The junior analogy comes to mind. If you hire a fresh face and they ship code that doesn’t work, it’s definitely on you, bro.

I don’t know what they are using cause all agents routinely do that. I suspect they are fibbing or tested things out in 2024 and never updated their opinion.

Just yesterday I had one of those moments of grace that are becoming commonplace.

Basically I have to migrate a service from a n8n workflow to an actual nodejs server for performance reasons. I spent 15 minutes carefully scoping the migration, telling it exactly what tools to use and code style to adopt. Gave it the original brief and access to the n8n workflows.

The whole thing was done in 4 minutes and 30 seconds. It even noticed a bug which has been in production unnoticed for the past year. Gave me some good documentation on how to setup the Google service account, the kind of memory usage to expect so I can dimension the instant accordingly. Another five minutes and I had a whole test suite with decent coverage. I had negotiated with the client that it would take around a week, well that was the under promise of the year…

People who go around telling it doesn’t work are incompetent, out of their minds or straight up lying.

The thing is, toxic people thrive in mob situations and are often found leading or even manufacturing them. I tend to be wary around this kind of setups as they are easy to get caught up in and hard to get out of.

Yeah same. I’d like to think i’d answer “I’ll use AI, if you don’t like it you can fork the project and i wish you good luck. Go share your opinion on AI in an appropriate place.”. But realistically there’s a high chance it catches me on a bad day and i get stupid.

Yes, both threads are led by two accounts with probably less than 50 commits to their names during the last year, none of which are of any relevance to the subject they are discussing.

In a world where you could contribute your time to make some things better, there is a certain category of people who seek out nice things specifically to harm them. As open source enters mainstream culture, it also appears on the radar of this kind of people. It’s dangerous to catch their attention, as once they have you they’ll coordinate over reddit, lemmy, github, discord to ruin your reputation. The reputation of some guy who never ever did them any harm apart from bringing them something they needed, for free, but in a way that doesn’t 100% satisfy them. Pure vicious entitlement.

I’d sooner have a drink with a salesman from OpenAI than with one of them.

It’s typical of dev burnout, though. Communication starts becoming more impulsive and less constructive, especially in the face of conflicts of opinions.

I’ve seen it play a few times already. A toxic community will take a dev who’s already struggling, troll them, screenshot their problematic responses, and use that in a campaign across relevant places such as github, reddit, lemmy… Maybe add a little light harassment on the side, as a treat. It’s a fun activity ! The dev spirals, posts increasingly unhinged responses and often quits as a result.

The fact that the thread is titled “is lutris slop now” is a clear indication that the intention of the poster wasn’t to contribute anything constructive but to attack the dev and put them on their back foot.