gnu/linux user space phones please hurry!

Are we promoting incel ideology on lemmy? I’d rather have tankies.

Yes you can.

Classic European flavored racism. Are you aware that you are promoting racism or not? I think mindfulness is key here. People should consider their own internal biases and adjust to help make a better world.

Strong recommend for learning the swipe motions. It takes a few min to learn but it’s free real-estate after that. And it’s faster. At least for me.

And the easy retort to that is that they don’t apply Chinese censorship globally. Only in China. Regional laws only apply regionally.

You do you. But I challenge you to go and look at gun prices at your local Walmart in the USA. Not every guy you buy has to be an FN-Scar 17 in pricing.

Turn around a look at how much it costs to defend yourself criminally in the USA.

Guns are about $200 at Walmart.

Robust criminal defense is about 30-40 hours.

Also good luck selling a gun you don’t have in your possession. Try going to a gun shop and saying “give me the cash now, I promise to give you the gun when the police give it back to me”

You might legally have that right but practically… good luck.

We do agree that you should be responsible for your actions. But looking at the meme here nothing wrong was done.

I mean they already own the guns. They can’t even sell them to hire a lawyer because they were taken.

If you can’t see the difference between buying one gun every x months and paying a lawyer 4 to 5 figures all in one go that’s on you.

Time is linear and you can’t sell what was taken from you. 🤷‍♀️

I mean you can buy a gun for 200 USD at Walmart. Lawyers cost 200 USD per hour.

Not really. Imagine they replace the ssh binary with a back doored version. Home directory encryption protects your data but not your system.

The point is, that the answer is 0% by any reasonable metric. I don’t think any more is to be gained here given the question dodge.

So I will say good bye and best of luck again.

Ok. I have one question then. I think we can come to a clear resolution with it.

Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, what percentage is it Linux?

It includes 100% the apps, system tools, GUIs, and libraries that you associate with Linux. It also has 0 lines of Linux code in it.

If you can justify that it is above >0% Linux I will use your definition of operating system going forward.

But we can agree that there are upper and lower limits though. And I believe that we can now agree that system utilities and system libraries are outside of that limit. Just because the edge are fuzzy, don’t mean we can’t come to any conclusions at all.

Any now stepping way way back. I think we can now agree that Fedora, Ubuntu and other distros run the same operating system. That operating system being Linux.

That’s ok! I was just trying to help you see the difference. You do now. It’s a win/win. There was a reason why I kept on brining up Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. It really highlights the difference.

You’re gunna do you and use your own definitions and I respect that. But the first line from the page is

Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD’s kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.

It is literally GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD’s kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set

You can say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is BSD system tools with a Linux kernel but you would be evidently and clearly wrong.

Anyways. I wish you well. Best of luck.

If you define it that way you are right. Yah. But the common understanding is a bit different than yours.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system

Really great read.

I urge you to take a look at https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ It’s the exact same utilities and everything but a completely different kernel. It really highlights the difference here. How would your definition account for this?

Would Debian GNU/kFreeBSD be 50% Linux, 50% FreeBSD under your definition even though it has no Linux code? It has all the system libraries and system utilities that you associate with Linux.

But it literally is the same. The only difference is the user space. Debian GNU/kFreeBSD shows this. Different operating system same user space.

Take a look at Wikipedia for more info.

An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources, and provides common services for computer programs. Time-sharing operating systems schedule tasks for efficient use of the system and may also include accounting software for cost allocation of processor time, mass storage, peripherals, and other resources.

I mean they are all literally the same operating system yah! They all use the same kernel APIs.

The logical conclusion is that from an operating system they are all basicly the same.

The main difference is the user space. The package management and defaults.

Look at Debian GNU/kFreeBSD it’s a whole different operating system with the Debian user space. It’s cool stuff and really highlights the difference between operating system and user space.

Hot take. Under semantic versioning everything after vista has been in essence a new version of vista.

Going from NT 5.x to 6.x was a major jump.

The reason why Vista had no/terrible drivers was because they went from an insecure one driver bug crashed the whole system model to more secure isolated drivers that don’t crash the whole system model. Developers had to learn how to write new drivers and none of the XP drivers worked.

They went from a single user OS with a multi user skin on top, to a full role based access control user system.

They went from global admin/non-admin permissions to scoped UAC permissions for apps.

Remember on Vista when apps constantly had that “asking for permissions” popup? That was the apps not using the 6.x UAC APIs.

Given the underlying architectural situation everything since Vista has been vista with polish added (or removed depending on how you look at it)

Things will go beyond vista when a new major release with new mandatory APIs shows up.

After you edited it, it is more clear now. You should have phrased it that way to begin with.