You really don’t know what MGTOW means, do you? Or are you intentionally tarring everything with the same brush in your manufactured outrage?

when there’s a portion of people basically saying you’re scum for being born a man

There is no way of changing these people’s minds, they invariably tend to be zero-sum absolutionists. Any attempt to prove them otherwise will only trigger their victimization complexes.

The only effective strategy is to not engage in the first place, to avoid having anything to do with them even if they are blood and especially if they can be easily avoided.

Unfortunately, this attitude is also held by the vast majority of vocal feminists… which, if you are actively dating, ought to make this one of the first red flags you should be looking for to make women self-select themselves out of contention.

After all, you don’t want to be with someone who hates you for what you are. Leave those venomous vipers on the branch, where they belong.

And yes, this entire strategy works equally as well in the other direction, for women. The difference is that women are far more effectively avoiding men with these red flags than men are at avoiding women with these red flags. Far too many men are far too thirsty to think straight where women are concerned.

what MGTOW offers as a “solution” is misogyny that only serves to make everyone more miserable

So when women go their own way they are lauded and celebrated, but when men do the exact same thing, it’s somehow misogyny??

You can’t have the exact same strategy be lauded on the one hand and vilified on the other, purely based on the gender of the person implementing that strategy.

That’s the dictionary definition of gender bigotry, and is at the core of pretty much every reason why men go their own way.

Even some “woke” Western Asian women can be pretty racist against Asian men.

FTFY.

My wife is Asian, and has seen this in her own female relatives and community friends who have immigrated here or have been born here. None of them would ever debase themselves that far to be with an Asian man unless he was loaded AF.

And my BiL has only ever had one Asian woman take any interest in him, despite being one hell of a handsome man… last time he visited China, he was frequently mistaken for a movie star or a model.

Another word for emotional labor is goddamn fucking empathy and SOME PEOPLE don’t want to show any toward men.

The very people screaming the loudest about “toxic masculinity” being a problem in men, are invariably the ones imposing it the most fiercely upon men, as this woman is doing.

If you went to most redpill communities, I would absolutely agree with you. It’s often really hard to tell them apart from feminist communities in terms of their rage and hate against the other gender.

However, out of sheer curiosity I have poked my nose into and lurked on a number of MGTOW communities that are refreshingly supportive and which do their best to help men move past the rage phase into more productive paths. Mainly because rage generally isn’t conducive to sustained and healthy self-improvement… and if you’re still obsessed with women in any way, you are pretty much failing at “going your own way”.

I actually know a few MGTOW, and aside from ignoring what society and women demand of them, you would never know they were MGTOW. They don’t talk about women. They don’t get upset over what women do or say. They just don’t want to have anything to do with women because they have much better things to do with their lives.

And when women complain to all and sundry that they just want to be left alone, isn’t MGTOW doing exactly what women want – leaving them TF alone? How could that be in any way a bad thing?

Girl, if this is the way you view the dating pool, then maybe MGTOW has a valid point or three to consider.

I may have stepped off the dating field nearly thirty years ago, but in terms of the gratuitous misandry that I have seen as of the last decade or so, even if I were to become widowed I doubt I would ever want to step back onto it. The juice is just not worth the squeeze if I am seen as “the enemy” and facing unjustified hostility and adversarial arrogance long before you even get to know me.

6 years of age would put me in 1978.

There is a lot I could do from that point onward, that would make $10M look like spare change. Like investing in Apple, or working with Tim Berners-Lee to more effectively launch an Internet that could better resist corporatization and enshittification.