Good intentions, implementation, and results here, but seriously folks, think VERY carefully about what you’re doing when you tamper with something someone’s putting in their body.
implying anyone on 4chan gives a shit about consent
this made me really uncomfortable too, also its extremely fake, you can’t ‘take apart’ a vape juice bottle (theyre a single piece of plastic), and no one on 4chan has a girlfriend (lol)
You can take apart juice bottles.
The least realistic part is that anon managed to get to and dilute every bottle their gf used.
Cause if they miss one, their gf is gonna have a serious shock.
That’s a very good point. The fictitious gf is the one buying the bottles. So if they are used to 1% nicotine and pick up a regular strength one, they’re going to use it, and immediately notice the difference…
I take apart mine every time I buy one. To add nicotine. Maybe there are different kinds of bottles? I’ve never seen one where the top is not detachable.
Totally wrong. Most juice comes in squeeze plastic bottles with a little nipple for filling a refillable vape.
When I was lowering my dose I bought 120ml of my favorite flavors and diluted it down with PG and VG off the shelf.
Traditionally it’s really just PG (propylene glycol), VG (vegetable glycerin), flavor agents, and nicotine/nicotine salts. Nicotine itself you can buy in gallon form, suspended in PG or VG, at a dilution of 100mg/ml. Unsure on nicotine salts. But just reducing it with PG, VG, or both, is no less safe than the vape itself.
You don’t use a random cutting solution, you use the same juice with no nicotine. A lot of juice makers offer 0 nic versions for people that want to just enjoy the act and flavor of vaping without the addiction, and for this specific purpose of cutting the nic level because they only offer certain increments (usually 3%, 6%, 12%), which may be too high for one’s personal preference.
Just as a thought experiment, what you’d really wanna do is change the salt nic formulation, i.e. the acidic compound which is added to freebase nicotine to convert it to a salt. This directly shapes the pharmacokinetics of the resulting nicotinic effect from vaping it, which is what leads to the common knowledge that salt nic hits harder, but doesn’t last as long as freebase. That isn’t universally true at all, but is a result of the salt formulations that are popular in the market.
I worked with a scientist that once formulated a 20mg/mL solution for me that had similar throat hit to the 40mg/mL products I was using & had a very steep onset curve, and I found it to still be very satisfying even immediately after swapping. It wasn’t a successful product though because for the consumer, 20mg = 20mg & 40mg = 40mg
Guess my point is that the novel ways of using tech to improve weaning off nicotine using vaping do legitimately exist, but they don’t have a place in a free market so we won’t have it while regulators stay luddites on the issue
That’s when you take a page out of the book of lightbulb manufacturers. On the box, CFLs and LEDs don’t show their actual wattage on the front, they write “100w equivalent” because that’s how people are used to measuring luminosity.
I find it changing as of lately, as “W equivalent”, lumens, and actual Watts get printed on the bulbs’ package more often, sometimes even pulsation score or something. This really helps because actual Watts and lumens are quite independent now
Yeah exactly, but to get to that point we needed to message it to consumers as such for ~20 years. Similarly, in OPs example, the 20mg feels similarly to a 40mg, but with half the nicotine - clearly the measurement on the box is being used as a proxy for “how does this feel” (no clue if that has a measurement/is measureable) but could definitely message it similarly
For those like me who have never heard of (E)VAPI or Honey Cut and want to read a disturbing story of how illicit products may be made of pretty much anything, there’s a read from Leafly
Mixing vape juice is standard practice though. You can buy nicottine free vape juice everywhere. If you splti 50mg with nic free at 50:50 you have… 25mg! It’s extremely common FYI
If you can’t tell the difference between messing up a cocktail mix and intentionally tampering with a drink or drug formula I don’t know what to tell ya man.
Everyone is talking about reducing the active ingredient in a serving of a recreational psychotropic drug by serving more of the (not “a”, but “the”) carrier dilute. If Anon’s GF doesn’t get the nic she needs, she’ll take more puffs. If you don’t get the buzz you want, you’ll ask for another cocktail.
Y’all can ride on the technical definition of “tampering” but a) the cocktail mix not being as expected (e.g. “as done last time round”) would amount to the same, “Hey this Mojito is practically virgin!” and b) there’s a rather huge difference between diluting or strengthening the active ingredient and c) on a whole another escalation scale, adding something that’s not supposed to be in the serving at all. Like, dunno, CBD in a Bloody Mary. Yet another magnitude: Vitamin E acetate in vape juice (don’t do that that’s where the popcorn lung cases came from).
Can you make those distinctions in your mind or is the concept of “tampering” mushing it all together?
Good intentions, implementation, and results here, but seriously folks, think VERY carefully about what you’re doing when you tamper with something someone’s putting in their body.
Do not try at home to the nth degree.
this made me really uncomfortable too, also its extremely fake, you can’t ‘take apart’ a vape juice bottle (theyre a single piece of plastic), and no one on 4chan has a girlfriend (lol)
You can take apart juice bottles.
The least realistic part is that anon managed to get to and dilute every bottle their gf used.
Cause if they miss one, their gf is gonna have a serious shock.
So, lack of consent and extremely controlling?
Or, as everything else, is fake and gay
That’s a very good point. The fictitious gf is the one buying the bottles. So if they are used to 1% nicotine and pick up a regular strength one, they’re going to use it, and immediately notice the difference…
I take apart mine every time I buy one. To add nicotine. Maybe there are different kinds of bottles? I’ve never seen one where the top is not detachable.
Juice maker here: the tops are all detachable.
Nice one.
Maybe the ones you use can’t be taken apart but dont assume the whole world aligns to your image of it
Just be open to things possibly being different to what you experience them to be
What sketchy cheap shit are you using? I’ve used a vape for a decade now, and you can remove the nipple cape on every single bottle.
We don’t know anything about that particular bottle OP used.
Totally wrong. Most juice comes in squeeze plastic bottles with a little nipple for filling a refillable vape.
When I was lowering my dose I bought 120ml of my favorite flavors and diluted it down with PG and VG off the shelf.
Traditionally it’s really just PG (propylene glycol), VG (vegetable glycerin), flavor agents, and nicotine/nicotine salts. Nicotine itself you can buy in gallon form, suspended in PG or VG, at a dilution of 100mg/ml. Unsure on nicotine salts. But just reducing it with PG, VG, or both, is no less safe than the vape itself.
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I’m a juice maker, and your comment is the truest comment here!
I make juice and you can absolutely pop the top off’a the bottle pictured here!
Body pillows can be girlfriends!
Instructions unclear. Afraid to cook for gf now.
yeah using some random “cutting solution” is how you end up with Honey Cut 2.0
You don’t use a random cutting solution, you use the same juice with no nicotine. A lot of juice makers offer 0 nic versions for people that want to just enjoy the act and flavor of vaping without the addiction, and for this specific purpose of cutting the nic level because they only offer certain increments (usually 3%, 6%, 12%), which may be too high for one’s personal preference.
Just as a thought experiment, what you’d really wanna do is change the salt nic formulation, i.e. the acidic compound which is added to freebase nicotine to convert it to a salt. This directly shapes the pharmacokinetics of the resulting nicotinic effect from vaping it, which is what leads to the common knowledge that salt nic hits harder, but doesn’t last as long as freebase. That isn’t universally true at all, but is a result of the salt formulations that are popular in the market.
I worked with a scientist that once formulated a 20mg/mL solution for me that had similar throat hit to the 40mg/mL products I was using & had a very steep onset curve, and I found it to still be very satisfying even immediately after swapping. It wasn’t a successful product though because for the consumer, 20mg = 20mg & 40mg = 40mg
Guess my point is that the novel ways of using tech to improve weaning off nicotine using vaping do legitimately exist, but they don’t have a place in a free market so we won’t have it while regulators stay luddites on the issue
That’s when you take a page out of the book of lightbulb manufacturers. On the box, CFLs and LEDs don’t show their actual wattage on the front, they write “100w equivalent” because that’s how people are used to measuring luminosity.
I find it changing as of lately, as “W equivalent”, lumens, and actual Watts get printed on the bulbs’ package more often, sometimes even pulsation score or something. This really helps because actual Watts and lumens are quite independent now
Yeah exactly, but to get to that point we needed to message it to consumers as such for ~20 years. Similarly, in OPs example, the 20mg feels similarly to a 40mg, but with half the nicotine - clearly the measurement on the box is being used as a proxy for “how does this feel” (no clue if that has a measurement/is measureable) but could definitely message it similarly
For those like me who have never heard of (E)VAPI or Honey Cut and want to read a disturbing story of how illicit products may be made of pretty much anything, there’s a read from Leafly
Mixing vape juice is standard practice though. You can buy nicottine free vape juice everywhere. If you splti 50mg with nic free at 50:50 you have… 25mg! It’s extremely common FYI
Nicotin is already tampering itself… least one could do is remove it.
Would you be saying the same thing if it was about diluting vodka with water?
…because that’s what mixing vape juice with juice base is.
Yes I would, tampering is dangerous shit even when you think you’re being benign about it.
Not to mention the implicit overstepping of boundaries and violation of knowing consent.
If I was making a cocktail for a friend, and, eyeballing the ratios, ended up putting too little vodka in it, would that still be tampering?
If you can’t tell the difference between messing up a cocktail mix and intentionally tampering with a drink or drug formula I don’t know what to tell ya man.
Noone is talking about medication.
Everyone is talking about reducing the active ingredient in a serving of a recreational psychotropic drug by serving more of the (not “a”, but “the”) carrier dilute. If Anon’s GF doesn’t get the nic she needs, she’ll take more puffs. If you don’t get the buzz you want, you’ll ask for another cocktail.
Y’all can ride on the technical definition of “tampering” but a) the cocktail mix not being as expected (e.g. “as done last time round”) would amount to the same, “Hey this Mojito is practically virgin!” and b) there’s a rather huge difference between diluting or strengthening the active ingredient and c) on a whole another escalation scale, adding something that’s not supposed to be in the serving at all. Like, dunno, CBD in a Bloody Mary. Yet another magnitude: Vitamin E acetate in vape juice (don’t do that that’s where the popcorn lung cases came from).
Can you make those distinctions in your mind or is the concept of “tampering” mushing it all together?
Your friend knew you were mixing it though
If you were to go around a party pouring water in everybody’s drinks when they aren’t looking, I would consider that tampering, yes.
If I were to hand everyone shots of pure tap water when they’re expecting vodka, would that be tampering?
Note if you say “no” then you’re literally no fun at parties. Zero. Nilch. Less actually, you’re negative fun.