• QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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    16 hours ago

    So it would be the case if it were the case but it is not the case and you are still somehow correct?

    That makes no sense. Thus it isn’t happening in most nations and your claim is fraudulent.

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      16 hours ago

      If I say you need enough heat, fuel, and oxygen to start a fire, and you say if you don’t have heat you don’t have fire, I’m still correct. I have never once said that the global south is imperialist, I said the opposite.

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        15 hours ago

        Yes you claimed that the global south which you are claiming is liberal and is also not engaging in imperialism so by your own logic most nations that are liberal are not engaging in these actions.

        Your whole argument rests on that essentially flawed notion.

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          15 hours ago

          It isn’t a flawed notion. Capitalism necessarily leads to imperialism if there is room for it, and if there isn’t, it leads to you either becoming nationalist, socialist, or imperialized. These are not conflicting ideas. You’re very confused.

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            15 hours ago

            You claim that this is happening most of the time. I point out that the nom-imperialist nations, which make up the majority if the liberal nations, are not doing this so from a sheer numerical perspective your claim is flawed as most are not doing this.

            Ypu can try to shift the goalposts but if the non-imperialistic liberal nations are the larger group then your claim cannot be true because factually speaking it us not happening in most liberal nations.

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              15 hours ago

              Just because this point still seems to not be getting through:

              If I say you need enough heat, fuel, and oxygen to start a fire, and you say if you don’t have heat you don’t have fire, I’m still correct. I have never once said that the global south is imperialist, I said the opposite.

              No goalposts shifted. This has been my point from the very beginning.

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                15 hours ago

                That is the shifting of the goalposts because you initially claim that this imperialism is happening in most nations and now you are claiming it would happen if it could which means it is not actually happening thus your claim is inherently flawed

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                  15 hours ago

                  I never once claimed that most nations are imperialist. This is straight up something you invented in your head.

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                    13 hours ago

                    im not saying you have. Im arguing the trend you are claiming that happens most of the time is not happening.

                    Im making a numbers argument and you are trying to make a theory based argument.

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                  14 hours ago

                  It’s a trend observable in all capitalist nations. If you develop enough, the rate of profit falls, and so you need to expand outward to profit. This is the basis of imperialism, the carving out of the global south for profit. Across the west, this is a fact, even if it manifests in different ways.

                  Those on the imperialized end cannot themselves really become imperialist, and the total capital to be imperialized is limited

                  • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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                    13 hours ago

                    Highlighting notions based on a flawed premise do not make those claims more valid.

                    This is a numbers argument. Unless you are going to claim there are more liberal nations engaging in imperialism than are victims of it your claim that it happens most of the time cannot be true.