There is a correlative link between the willingness to hurt animals and psychopathy. You start out hiring animals and you are more likely to be okay hurting humans.
If people are going to choose to eat meat, then I would prefer that they are protected from the trauma that comes with animal killing.
Lol, I’m sure you do… you’re just being purposely obtuse. Hunters do not hunt with intent to cause undue suffering to animals. With the animal harm associated with psychopathy the suffering is the express intent of the harm, not a byproduct of it.
If hunting was actually correlated with psychopathy then we’d be in a bit of a pickle, considering that we evolved from hunting and gathering societies.
Hmm … maybe you’re right in that it’s a matter of degrees. To me, there’s a minimum amount of empathy that people should have, and below that I think they’re crazy. So yes, psychopaths are probably more crazy than hunters. I can see that making sense.
To me, it still takes a crazy mind to look at a breathing mammal and straight up murder it. More so the more intelligent it is.
Hmm … maybe you’re right in that it’s a matter of degrees. To me, there’s a minimum amount of empathy that people should have, and below that I think they’re crazy.
Psychology is not really a hard science, there is no real minimum or maximum requirements needed for a diagnosis. It’s all subjective to how a patient interacts and behaves compared to the social normative.
To me, it still takes a crazy mind to look at a breathing mammal and straight up murder it.
Eh, I guess it just depends on your ethical construct. I’m mostly a vegetarian because of environmental reasons, that and I think that industrialized farming is morally abhorrent. I would much rather hunt, kill, and consume a deer than go to a Wendy’s. There’s a lot less suffering involved in virtually all hunting than just about any industrialized farm.
It’s not so much that I’m encouraging ignorance. I’m discouraging direct exposure.
You can know and be fully aware that animals are being killed. But to see it happen with your own eyes, or to participate, will fuck up a person.
I guess I would encourage direct exposure if I thought more people would end up being vegetarian. But my gut tells me that more people would just end up crazy.
From the totally opposite side of this. I think that people should be required to kill and butcher an animal at least once if they’re going to eat meat.
That would quickly end factory farming, which needs to be abolished anyhow. We’d have a lot more vegans.
If that’s the side you’re coming from then I guess I can understand your argument. I was thinking from an animal welfare perspective, and the argument (which I’ve seen made before) that hunting is inhumane and that people should get their meat at the store instead.
As a side-note, I would really like a link to something backing up that people who hunt for food are more likely to be psychopaths.
Holy false equivalency Batman. There is a vast difference between hunting and torturing animals. It is a case where intent and what that one approaches the task has a substantial bearing on the individual’s likelihood of anti-social personality disorder. An ethical hunter shows respect to the animal that they kill by doing their best to minimize suffering (this includes things like choice of weapon as well as ensuring that any game that they shoot it’s tracked down so that they didn’t suffer needlessly).
Do some people with anti-social personality disorder hunt? Yes. Some of them also eat at Wendy’s. You sound like you’re trying to invent a way to make yourself “better than” a large swath of people. I’d suggest that you practice some self-reflection.
I say this as someone who does not hunt but previously worked on a small poultry farm where I had to slaughter as well as euthanize animals. I’ve seen what good and bad quality of life does to animals. Ignoring the plight of factory farmed animals does not make you a better person.
There is a correlative link between the willingness to hurt animals and psychopathy. You start out hiring animals and you are more likely to be okay hurting humans.
If people are going to choose to eat meat, then I would prefer that they are protected from the trauma that comes with animal killing.
I think you’re conflating hunting with torturing animals for entertainment…
Yes. Yes they are.
Not sure I see the difference
Lol, I’m sure you do… you’re just being purposely obtuse. Hunters do not hunt with intent to cause undue suffering to animals. With the animal harm associated with psychopathy the suffering is the express intent of the harm, not a byproduct of it.
If hunting was actually correlated with psychopathy then we’d be in a bit of a pickle, considering that we evolved from hunting and gathering societies.
Hmm … maybe you’re right in that it’s a matter of degrees. To me, there’s a minimum amount of empathy that people should have, and below that I think they’re crazy. So yes, psychopaths are probably more crazy than hunters. I can see that making sense.
To me, it still takes a crazy mind to look at a breathing mammal and straight up murder it. More so the more intelligent it is.
Psychology is not really a hard science, there is no real minimum or maximum requirements needed for a diagnosis. It’s all subjective to how a patient interacts and behaves compared to the social normative.
Eh, I guess it just depends on your ethical construct. I’m mostly a vegetarian because of environmental reasons, that and I think that industrialized farming is morally abhorrent. I would much rather hunt, kill, and consume a deer than go to a Wendy’s. There’s a lot less suffering involved in virtually all hunting than just about any industrialized farm.
Distancing yourself from the violence doesn’t make you less complicit in the violence.
Eating animals inherently requires a willingness to harm animals. You can either ignore it or you can’t.
I’m not talking about being complicit. I’m talking about exposure.
Just like you’re not exposed to the child slavery that makes your cell phone possible, and that’s good for your psyche.
But if you don’t like that, be vegetarian.
Most people cope like you are here but it’s honestly weird to see someone who is seemingly so self aware but also encourages this ignorance.
Remaining ignorant of these problems doesn’t make them go away or make anyone any less complicit in perpetuating them.
It’s worth considering that it’s possible to eat without harming animals and it’s possible to have a cell phone without child slavery.
Not knowing at all is one thing. Choosing to be willfully ignorant is another.
Yeah I agree.
It’s not so much that I’m encouraging ignorance. I’m discouraging direct exposure.
You can know and be fully aware that animals are being killed. But to see it happen with your own eyes, or to participate, will fuck up a person.
I guess I would encourage direct exposure if I thought more people would end up being vegetarian. But my gut tells me that more people would just end up crazy.
From the totally opposite side of this. I think that people should be required to kill and butcher an animal at least once if they’re going to eat meat.
That would quickly end factory farming, which needs to be abolished anyhow. We’d have a lot more vegans.
If that’s the side you’re coming from then I guess I can understand your argument. I was thinking from an animal welfare perspective, and the argument (which I’ve seen made before) that hunting is inhumane and that people should get their meat at the store instead.
As a side-note, I would really like a link to something backing up that people who hunt for food are more likely to be psychopaths.
Not hunting, hurting. But hunting is hurting.
Too lazy to write details. Please forgive the reddit link.
https://www.reddit.com/r/askpsychology/comments/1fdvifa/why_do_psychopaths_torture_animals/
Holy false equivalency Batman. There is a vast difference between hunting and torturing animals. It is a case where intent and what that one approaches the task has a substantial bearing on the individual’s likelihood of anti-social personality disorder. An ethical hunter shows respect to the animal that they kill by doing their best to minimize suffering (this includes things like choice of weapon as well as ensuring that any game that they shoot it’s tracked down so that they didn’t suffer needlessly).
Do some people with anti-social personality disorder hunt? Yes. Some of them also eat at Wendy’s. You sound like you’re trying to invent a way to make yourself “better than” a large swath of people. I’d suggest that you practice some self-reflection.
I say this as someone who does not hunt but previously worked on a small poultry farm where I had to slaughter as well as euthanize animals. I’ve seen what good and bad quality of life does to animals. Ignoring the plight of factory farmed animals does not make you a better person.