• Pyr@lemmy.ca
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    11 hours ago

    I think people trying to convince others need to start comparing it to time vs items, not simple $ value.

    Older people voting see $7.25/hour and still think that’s good because it’s X% more than what it was when they were young.

    Instead market it as “The minimum wage should be at least three loaves of bread per hour, up from two loaves of bread.”

    In 1960 the minimum wage was about 4 loaves of bread. At the moment in Oklahoma it’s 2 loaves of bread.

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      10 hours ago

      If the factor of inflation for housing, transportation, education, medical care, groceries, childcare, etc. were the same as bread over the last 66 years, that would work. Since they’ve wildly inflated, getting people to think in terms of bread prices through the years would only teach them to be blind to their actual economic situation which is so, so much worse than their ability to but a loaf of bread.

      Further, if that actually caught on, they’d just lower the price of bread to convince people how great they’re doing while squeezing more blood from every other stone.

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        9 hours ago

        Not saying just use bread. Use any common item that is a staple. Rice, gallons of gas, etc. you can even do a mix, feel free to experiment. But using dollar value I think isnt very effective.

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          9 hours ago

          I see where you’re saying. How about a single bag or a single cart of groceries instead?

          I vaguely remember a grocery trip with my parents way back in the day when moving into our home. We had two full carts for $100 bucks. Nowadays, $100 bucks can fill one or two bags without much effort.

          Interesting video (YT link to KRTV News 2m48s) showing a grocery receipt from 1997 for 27 items totaling under $40. Today it’s about $110 for the same items. According to the video, the cost exceeds the calculated inflation estimate of $81.

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    22 hours ago

    Sounds like they specifically put the questionnaire in a ballot that wasn’t for a very high-turnout election. Apparently if they waited to put this on a higher-turnout election the results could have gone differently.

    Love how the reasoning for rejecting this measure is that the businesses will increase costs to make up for higher wages. So i guess the solution is to never raise wages? Lol?!? Notice how consumer costs have constantly gone up? Notice how the min wage hasn’t? Weird!!!

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    1 day ago

    Do people just like being cucked by the rich or something? It’s gotta be some sort of fetish for Americans at this point.

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        23 hours ago

        One of the more subtle things done for voter manipulation here in OK is putting the polling places in the lobbies of nursing homes.

        You have to drive and find parking. But Gertrude, class of '65, can hobble out into the lobby and vote like Focks Noos told her to, and it only takes five minutes. And there are 200+ residents right behind her doing the same thing, at every nursing home that has a polling place in it on election day.

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        24 hours ago

        Education is a problem, yo. I see so many folks on this app run propaganda for the regime while simultaneously talking like they’re not about it. “Just following orders” is criminal but carrying water for an enemy ain’t too different.

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        22 hours ago

        She said that she hopes for higher turnout in November with Vice President Kamala Harris facing former President Donald Trump to become the next United States president.

        Boy, do I have bad news for this nearly 2-year-old article…

      • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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        24 hours ago

        I think it has to do more with brainwashing than voter suppression. I don’t believe they managed to suppress 90% of voters.

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          23 hours ago
          1. Pretty sure the margin in this vote was a little less than 90%
          2. Saying “I believe other people have been brainwashed” without even making a gesture at evidence to support your own claim seems a bit ironic
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            23 hours ago

            What I meant is that vast majority of voters should support raising the minimum wage. Wealthy people that actually employ workers and pay them below proposed minimum wage should oppose it. The rest have no interest to vote against it. You would have to suppress shitload of voters to change the margins here and reject it. Hence, the majority voted against their interest.

            And please, we don’t have to proof anymore that Americans have been brainwashed. It’s been more than obvious for about a decade now.

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      People with more money have more power. They indoctrinate the voters successfully. The voters are happy about the outcome, as they believe they have done something good, while they basically suffocate themselves.

      This happens, is you have a fake democracy, where money decides who is going to win.

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      Because most voters aren’t making the minimum wage. So say the minimum wage is $10, but you’re making $16, and the min wage gets brought up by $5 to $15. The person making $16 an hour isn’t going to get a raise, or if they do, it won’t be a $5 raise. They’ll just be making $1 over minimum wage, only now everything in the state will adjust upwards in costs, because capitalism. Rent rates and used car prices will go up. Groceries will get a bit more. Places will charge more for child care.

      If you weren’t making close to minimum wage, it hurts you more than it helps.

      This is a perpetual problem. The fix is simple. Instead of trying to make low incomes higher for a short term amount of help; tax the fuck out of the top end. That will lessen the burden on everyone else, provide more money to help those in need, prevent the oligarchs from just trying to hoard their wealth and put it back out into their companies rather than paying more in taxes, etc.

      In short, raising minimum wage is a dumb thing to focus on, when the real focus should be on lowering the top.

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    1 day ago

    7.25 an hour is the national minimum? That’s shocking. It’s about 5 quid in UK money. Apprentices or under 18s get paid way more than that.

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      10 hours ago

      The actual wage is higher than that, based on market prices but there are a number of government related things that use minimum wage.

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      Many states have higher minimum wage. Here it’s $15/hr. That’s probably not enough for a high cost of living area but my teen just got a summer job for $18/hr, so employers are paying more

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      No one here in the states are actually paying the minimum wage. Most of the time, it’s at least $11-12 an hour depending on the restaurant.

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        23 hours ago

        Restaurant? You’re suggesting restaurants are paying people more when there’s a separate, even lower minimum wage for service employees expecting tips?

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    Many people think minimum wage lowers their wage if they make near the proposed increase.

    They aren’t necessarily wrong.

    Everything goes up in price more than the minimum wage increase every time it happens because there are no laws to stop price increases like that.

    Rent goes up. Any service jobs cost most. Restaurants.

    So people already barely making more than minimum lose.

    I’m all for minimum wage being a living wage. But it will never be a living wage unless price increases are controlled with min wage increase rollouts.

    With hefty fines for violations.

    Otherwise min wage increases is pure theatre at best and actually lowers income at worst