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- It’s $80
- It’s on Gamespass, where I assume a lot of doom fans who might have otherwise purchased are likely to be.
- It’s shouldered up against Expedition 33 and Oblivion Remake, both over $20 cheaper and highly acclaimed.
- It’s $80
- (Edit) shitty DRM
Oh & denuvo
Mostly this. I’m not paying for something that comes with malware. Not for $80, $20, or $1. Nobody should pay for malware.
Yup. I would have bought Persona 5 Royale and SMT V on day one, if there was no Denuvo. I normally don’t open my wallet for $60 games.
Super Robot Wars Y? Not on my radar anymore. Denuvo has cost the companies at least $300+, and I am not a rich dude.
I might create a VM to play it for $1 tbf. But yeah I think I’m drawing the line at $5 for anything with denuvo
Denuvo is the only reason I’m waiting. I’m on Linux, and I’m not risking that Proton change license issue. And also I hate the performance hit that Denuvo causes.
Proton ? What’s up with that ?
Denuvo will revoke your licence to play a game if it thinks you’ve installed the game on computers with different hardware. Issue is it gets confused by changing the proton version that runs the game, thinking it’s a new install on a new computer, and so quickly bans you from playing the game.
Oh now I get the picture, jesus it’s that bad huh
That, unfortunately https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/ namely that each new Proton “install” e.g. switching version because there is a bug counts as a new install which are limited.
For the bigger picture https://www.defectivebydesign.org/
I just wished GOG put more effort, because their Anti-DRM stance is cool AF. I recently bought The Earth-2150 trilogy from GOG
Where is it $80?
80€ in Steam Spain.
79,99€ in Germany
I am interested, but not that much to pay more than 20€ in a sale in a few years. It was the same with Doom Eternal. And I haven’t bought it to this day 😅
Maybe it will never be bought 🤷🏻♂️
Not in Australia, it’s $120 here.
Todd, Marty, Phil and Satya can suck an egg together.
Steam, the cheapest I see it as is 79,99€ where I am, which is actually US$90. I just assumed the US store did a straight numeral conversion to dollars, but you’re getting a discount too, it seems.
It’s $70
Depends on your location in the world. Which shows just how arbitrary the price actually is.
Because of the tariffs that only apply to the US, see, they have to charge more for digital goods in other countries because reasons.
Also, it reviewed well but with some annoying caveats.
up against Expedition 33
I mean… I don’t play Doom due to DRM but also to be fair Expedition 33, which I’m enjoying quite a lot on Linux, is “just” 40ish hours whereas Doom is (check notes) less than 20hrs to complete? WTH. Nope.
20 and 40 hours both sound pretty terrible for such expensive games. Got far more out of games like Factorio and for a lot less.
I’d rather have a 20 hour game that is engaging the entire time than a game that has a ton of filler in it.
Factorio is engaging the entire time. Not a massive fan on story games because that severely limits the playtime you get from the game.
Yep, different style of games. I need to give Factorio another shot, it seems really up my alley but I couldn’t get into it.
Also… I think you missed this one… It’s $80.
Gonna wait for a code and a sale in a year
Seeing how they screwed over Mick Gordon, the composer for the previous two installments, I’ll vote with my wallet and skip this one. My backlog is big enough as it is anyway.
Doom Eternal is a beautiful album that includes a lovely mini-game.
Edit: a lot of “wooshing” in the replies, but I blame it on myself.
Doom Eternal? The game with a soundtrack that was made up of butchered parts of Gordon’s work, welded together by a novice, at the command of an egotistical dickhead who slandered Gordon after the fact?
https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce
Eternals original OST was very poor compared to Doom 2016. Big reason I never bothered with the game.
Just for the record, the in game OST was properly done by MG and was great. It was the Official OST album that was taking bits from that OST to make full songs that were very sub-par. The music MG was making is very dynamic in game, and each level had multiple musical phrases that start and stop dynamically during gameplay (this isn’t unique to doom of course, lots of games do this.) in game the music is some of his best work imo, and really brings the gameplay to another level.
Some people have released better mixes of the songs taken and edited from those music clips in the game files to make better mixes than the Official OST album.
Same
meant to mislead potential players into thinking the game is successful when, in fact, it’s severely underperforming behind the scenes.
Why would a player in a single-player game give a tiny shit about how popular it is? It’s the investor class that cares about that; stop treating their interests as a natural good.
It’s a bad game
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It’s old lunacy. Believe it or not we live in a class based society where the vast majority of the people that actually provide value to society have their labor stolen by leeches that make money by having money and that is what that person means by the investor class.
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Oh, I never thought of it like that.
What a great criticism! You’re obliviously someone who has thought long and hard about this topic
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Dude/Dudette…
What… what the fuck is your entire account?
You have like a weeks worth of recent comments, and 90% of them you are downvoted to oblivion, just no matter what comm you are, what you are talking about, its just you being insufferable and/or contrarian and/or confidently wrong.
Then further back than that, 2, 3 months, you have some actually informative and useful comments, funny commentary most people liked, and that just keeps going.
Did your account get hacked? Did you suffer a TBI. Get fired, partner broke up with you?
Like I really am not trying to be a dick here, you good man/gal?
You come back after about 2 months of absence and you are now seemingly intentionally just trying to be shitty basically all the time.
Thanks for taking the time to check, blocked them.
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I guess licking boots gives you a lot of time to think. What’s your favorite flavor of polish?
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That term is decades old, it’s fine if you haven’t heard it before but maybe consider that possibility before replying like that and looking like an asshole.
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Then you are either willfully ignorant or a troll, in either case not worth my time.
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Are you mad at them for using the term or mad at someone else for coining the term? Or mad at everyone for using a term you had never heard before?
everyone is an investor and a shareholder
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This is Lemmy; everything is politics and it’s really fun and mentally healthy
everything is politics
Literally this
it’s really fun and mentally healthy
Uh oh, someone’s upset their world view is challenged by people pointing out life’s problems!
Sounds healthy…
Marty Stratton and his denuvo riddled pos game can kindly get fukt after what he did to Mick Gordon, the composer of the banger soundtrack for Doom 2016.
https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-eternal-5f98266b27ce
Holy fucking shit! I live under the rock in the middle of nowhere so I’ve heard only some brief parts of “something wrong with DOOM Eternal music” but nothing factual. Now I gave the time to read the whole article and I’m speechless. 'Cause this is bad, really, really, REALLY bad. I feel sorry for people that have to work and live under such assholes like Marty obviously is…
Yea, I read that a few weeks ago and it convinced to not touch Doom TDA. I mean, maybe pirate it, but certainly not buy it.
Wow. I already wasn’t going to buy any more Bethesda slop, but now I’m not going to buy it twice.
Let’s see
- The game itself takes away a lot of pieces of the formula that made 2016 and Eternal so good
- $80 price tag
- BDS boycott
- Denuvo
I’m shocked that it’s not selling, absolutely shocked.
And also, for some of us:
- Boycott due to Mick Gordon’s treatment.
TRUE, I knew I was forgetting something else
It’s $70 though?
80€ in Steam Spain.
$90CAD
Was thinking of BL4. Still pretty egregious though
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BDS is a global movement calling for boycotts, divestment and ultimately sanctions of Israel and companies complicit in Israels illegal occupation and other crimes against the Palestinian people.
Microsoft provides AI tools to the Israeli army -IDF- which are used to automatically designate people as targets for bombing. Among other things a particular heinous AI is infamously named “Where’s Daddy”, where bombings are timed so that the target is killed upon arriving home, so their entire family is also murdered.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-israel-military-gaza-hamas-artificial-intelligence-20b2adb438b39ee9cb6eb2f52c1ae44aActivision Blizzard, Bethesda, iD-Software, Zenimax, Mojang (Minecraft) and others are all owned by Microsoft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Gaming_studios
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Microsoft (and by extension id and Bethesda) are a priority target for the BDS boycotts against Israel
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Google says BDS stands for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (against Isreal.)
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Since the company boyscotts BDS. I guess it means the company is pro Isreal.
It’s also 80€ in Europe. Everyone I talked to is waiting for the price to drop, including me.
It’s £70 in the uk, that’s $95 while in the us it costs $70, which is £50. Xbox did the same thing with the new call of duty, their regional pricing is so braindead.
Historically AAA games have been £10 less than the us counter part ($60 games were £50) and making this change is so stupid.
$130 NZD, I don’t want to guess what $80 USD games are going to “convert” too 😮💨
I just aquired a value cap to my interest in digital entertainment. Using the vacation money on living/home improvements and built for life camping gear. €25 indie rpg’s and films for the tablet is enough but then again I have no teenage children that demand top shelf brands or else.
I don‘t buy any digital copy of a game for over 45 bucks, doesn‘t matter what it is… I also haven‘t finished DOOM 2016 yet and haven‘t even started Eternal. Not because they‘re bad games or because I don‘t like FPSs, but because I have so much shit to play and so little time.
Competition is fierce and asking 80 bucks when I got the predecessors for less than 5 each is just not happening. Just because games cost more to produce doesn‘t magically make customers have more money and time. It‘ll make release weeks stinkers outside of your GOTYs and makes more people wait or go back to 20+ years worth of other games that aren‘t 80 bucks.
$20 is the limit for me. I’m perfectly fine waiting a few years to play the game, if it still exists by that point. If it doesn’t, then I’m glad I didn’t waste my time.
And another plus is that you get to play the games as bug free as they‘ll get AND at higher framerates assuming your hardware improved in the meantime. I certainly wouldn‘t have been able to get the high fidelity DOOM 2016 experience I can get now (at a high framerate) way back when it released.
Downside is that if there‘s any multiplayer component to a game, it‘s probably pretty damn dead years later. But first, I personally don‘t care much about that anymore and second, games bleed the majority of their playerbase within months anyway so it‘s whatever.
Games cost more to produce but there’s more customers than ever
And its certainly not the developers who are getting all that extra money.
Amen.
Game is 70$ on Steam US and has a very positive review. That is still too much money unless this is a game you were really looking forward to.
Forcing raytracing is a great way to close off a bunch of customers.
Not just because some people don’t have it either, but for anything with RTX2000/3000 and RDNA2, Forced RT is just forced low framerate.
I hope making everyone dynamically draw the lights and shadows in realtime for a linear game was worth the 15c it saved on Microsoft’s electricity bill for not pre-baking overnight.
Yep, that and it looks like the base Doom formula has been watered down a lot from the gameplay I’ve seen.
The release of new games sometimes makes me play older titles, going through Doom 2 with some tasty mods atm.
I would have bought it if it didn’t have denuvo. I’ll wait til its stripped out.
The raytracing requirement is fine but having to deal with denuvo is a bridge too far.
Why does it need anti cheat? It’s a single player game.
Denuvo’s DRM instead of anti-cheat.
Though I also was wondering the same thing. Took me a minute to remember lmao.
I’m one of the biggest fans of the DOOM franchise, I’ve played all the versions since the original one in 1993. But I don’t care if I play it now or in half a year. Or a year for that matter. Never really understood why having it first matters to anyone. I’ll be here when the prices drop.
I was stupid enough to buy Spacemarine 2, when it came out, at full price (mostly because I loved Boltgun so much) and that was a great lesson about how you should wait around a bit before actually buying a game. It would have been a fun game for 15 or even 20 euro, but it’s not worth 70 euro. I Should have bought Helldivers, anyway 😓
I bought Space Marine 2 at launch, decided it needed more time. So I got Helldivers 2 which I immediately got addicted to and I love it.
Did you find it got better after the updates? I still think space marine is kind of meh, my son has fun with it though, which is nice
I’m on the same boat, I got 2016 around Eternal release date for like €10 and loved it. Then I bought Eternal just last year for a similar deal and I haven’t finished the DLC yet. I am more than happy to wait for DA to go on sale.
I regretted buying HellDivers. I honestly think that it becoming as popular as it did is a damning indictment of the state of coop shooters.
I still haven’t bought it, played it at a friend for a while, and had a lot of fun 🤷
Not sure about hardcore Doom fans but the game looks uninteresting to me specifically. It’s like a polar opposite from Doom 2016 judging by all the videos I’ve seen. Don’t really care about the higher price, I’d get it if I liked it but it really doesn’t click for me.
Ive really not cared about the direction the story has been taking, and im not a huge fan of the newer atmosphere. 2016 felt like it still had horror elements, the demons felt dangerous and doomguy, while incredibly strong, still felt like vulnerable, especially with the custom death scenes. Now he has like this god aura around him, which is cool i guess, but him battling for survival will always be cooler to me than him being like a living god. Also the zero third person cutscenes will always be superior to me, even though i understand why others may not like it.
Would have been the perfect doom game if they didnt make it so every bout of combat ended in a whimper. Even the mech fights dont end gloriously.
I didn’t even look at it enough to know if I’d buy it otherwise when I saw it has denuvo. Always online DRM is a hard pass for me. I haven’t played the last 3 games Atlus released either and I’ve been playing almost every one since the ps2 era.
Bro I played almost everything they released on consoles and just didn’t even cross my mind to play it on PC cause , like you, been playing since PS1/2 and the only time I pick one up is if I see it on sale at a brick and mortar store or the marketplace. Shame about this intrusion of denuvo into such great franchises, that would honestly benefit from some privacy considering the SMT current niche audience.
As much as I love the Doom games I’m not really a fan of the $70 price tag. The Doom games are great games but it’s not like they are in my top 5 favorite games or anything like that. I’ll wait for a sale.
That price was doomed.
