lmaoooo Murica is just 10 companies in a trenchcoat pretending to be a country
I’ll be looking for work in about 3 months and my hard line is wfh.
I will never work in an office with people again.
I totally get it. Good luck though, make sure you find a landing space first. WFH jobs are decreasing and are getting much more competitive. They’re also, unfortunately, prone to be suddenly or slowly shifted to in-office positions. Trying to work a mandatory period of WFH into your contract might be useful, but that’ll be pretty difficult.
As long as you are very employable and in the right field you should be fine. Using “transitional WFH” as a way to entice workers is becoming more commonplace and employers are often not transparent about it.
A friend works in HR at a place that hires as “WFH” and doesn’t mention at any point that there is already a timeline in place for two days in office after six weeks and then full time in office after three months. It’s not stipulated anywhere, it’s a “new policy” that comes down… on the same timeline… for every new employee. Lol
thanks for the heads up and I’ll definitely will keep that in mind when I’m looking.
If I can’t find wfh work, I’ll focus my efforts on building/supporting software developer unions while working construction. rather be outside and be miserable than inside and miserable.
Preach!
How about crustaceans?
only Mr Krabs, and as long as that damned sponge isn’t around.
well I’m unemployed and fucked
The most important lesson I have learned throughout my career is that large corporations are not worth working for. Too much “HR” interference.
The best work environments I have ever been a part of is when I worked for smaller businesses that were still made up of actual people and not nameless/faceless/soulless “corporate HR departments”, who’s sole purpose is to “make corpo more money no matter the means”.
I’d say it depends on what you want from a job. I’ve mostly been able to do nothing 90% of the time and still make good money. That 10% earns my share because it’s often brutally stressful. But I can hide amongst the bureaucracy.
I’m beginning to think companies are doing this to get people to leave by themselves
Time to fire half the workforce.
Before you do that… I have a better idea
This is how they cull us now. Make us quit.
That’s how you get rid of the good people who can easily get a job somewhere else.
Funny how all of these companies have the same policy regarding returning to work, despite the fact that a dozen or so studies exist that prove empirically that employee productivity increased during the WFH era.
Real estate investments and oil production are the only American dream. Productivity doesn’t mean shit if oil stops flowing or real estate values evaporate. The ruling class doesn’t care if you finished your excel spreadsheet by 4pm.
I question those studies. It’s way easier to get someone’s attention in office than emailing them 3-4x. Additionally teamwork definitely increases when you work face to face at least sometimes.
E-mail is not, nor was it ever, something for immediate response. Don’t e-mail people if you want one, you’re doing it wrong.
It’s way easier to get someone’s attention in office
Exactly. Most employees aren’t just sitting around waiting for someone to get their attention. They’re already actively working. And when that work is interrupted, it’s a distraction, and productivity goes down.
Even the mental context switching between the tasks is costly in terms of time lost. Most people can’t just instantly jump back to the original task at the same level of productivity.
Don’t email 3-4x. Just write a chat message and send ab VC invite. Works immediately in 90% of all cases and allows direct communication without disturbing all the coworkers around you in an office.
There has been enough study on the subject that for jobs that lend themselves to the work from home model, it absolutely does increase productivity.
I do think there should be an option to work in office for those who can’t work from home for personal reasons.
While that’s currently true, I’m extremely curious to see the trends after 10-20 years. Does it stay productive or do problems start cropping up. My current job is strongly requested to be in-person once per week, but otherwise WFH. The occasional in-office definitely helps new hires and such, and I would not be surprised if jobs start moving towards a “wfh except once per week (or two weeks)” ordeal.
I agree to an extent, but while I’m not going to speak for everyone as my situation is unique, my role is as an individual contributor, and my role requires absolutely 0 teamwork. I have a set of tasks that need to be done by EOD, and so does the rest of my team. We don’t collaborate at all. When we were in office, the only benefit was we all sat together, so you could ask a team member for assistance if you got stuck on a unique issue.
During Covid, they redid our office. There are no assigned seats anymore. So when they do ask us to come in, I work at a random desk by myself. It’s absolutely stupid. I’m wasting gas and time driving to the office just to make an appearance to stroke management’s ego so they can physically see me in person.
I agree but only if your team is in the same office. Nowadays people are working with teams based around the world and if your entire team is working remotely then there’s not much point to being in the office.
More like “sales teams are the reason middle managers think ALL employees slack off when not watched.”
I get that sales is a SUPER depressing culture, a ridiculously antiquated work environment, and full of some utterly soul-sucking mandates from above, but I have never seen, in any workplace, a team that needs someone constantly riding herd on them like the sales team.
Every place I’ve worked, every place that a place I’ve worked has had as a client, and every business I’ve ever visited had the same problem – sales people are largely unmotivated because their job has a much higher chance to SUCK OUT LOUD than most of the other jobs at a given company.
When five figure quarterly bonuses, daily friendly team competitions for gift cards, more paid-for-by-the-company outings than the c suites get and pickle ball on company time twice a week aren’t enough to hype people up to do their actual job, something is really fucking wrong with the job expectations.
Unironically how I live my life
Because making calls and using a computer requires a specific lacale…
Sales Team tells Dell to return to Linkedin?
Alternative headlines:
- Dell wants to contribute to global warming for no good reason.
- Dell wants to expose workers to death by automobile for no real reason.
Dell looking to cut workforce without layoffs.
We need an alternative headlines community
global warming
When WFH began, I stopped taking the subway into the city every day and instead spent a lot more time driving around the suburbs. My car’s mileage and my ecological footprint went way up. You can’t just make up a statement and have it be true.
What are you doing where you have to drive around aimlessly?
Did the people collating stats forget to take into account your hobbies? I feel like there was nothing forcing you to drive aimlessly around the burbs more than you would have normally outside of work, shopping and errands taking the same time as normal.
Lol, “my personal anecdotal story, means someone else is crazy and wrong, despite me having no other evidence either.”
- This person
I too have an anecdote. If only someone had done research on the topic and we had a way to search for it.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2022AV000732
The world is not flat, stop spreading misinformation.
Interesting, for me it was the opposite.
When I had to go back to the office, I started burning cooking oil and truck tires in my backyard every weekend, so my ecological footprint increased significantly
For me, working from home meant eating endangered species for lunch seven days a week instead of just two. Checkmate, liberals.
You are so clearly the exception is should not even have to be made clear.
Quite right too. The most important factor for me when buying a computer is that the sales droid is in an office. All those CPU, RAM and disk numbers are secondary to that.
I just buy whichever one is called “gamer computer” and has the prettiest LED lights on the case. Thats how you know it’s the good shit!
Pretty LEDs make it go faster. Everyone knows that.
I know this was a facetious comment but it reminds me of the time Kingston stuck 75 leds in an SSD and it got so hot the computer wouldn’t even boot. There is a video.
You want xenon lights, thats the heavy duty standard.
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On a serious note, why?
Damn, you know it’s bad when Dell is laying off a ton of people through policy.
So Dell wants to do a layoff of sales staff, and is going to lose their best performers first.
Dell’s inside sales team probably has a much flatter bell curve, performance wise, then their outside (traveling) reps.
So yes, they are looking to do a layoff without the headlines, or severance, but probably aren’t as concerned where on the bell curve those employees rank.
Middle and lower management of those teams is absolutely sweating bullets about their teams getting wrecked, but big picture, whatever impact the C Suite is expecting, clearly isn’t enough to outweigh whatever net outcome they’re hoping for here.
Edit: also, I pretty much guarantee that any of their far high-end outliers on the inside sales team bell curve, will be given an exemption by whoever is 2 or 3 levels above their direct manager.
They already laid off a bunch.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dell-cuts-workers-sales-team-170000115.html
I guess not enough.
i hate how this “best performers” rhetoric always comes out in WFH discussion. everyone should be able to work from home if it’s better for them regardless of if they’re The Best at their dunder-mifflin ass job
Sure, everyone that has a job that can be done from home should be permitted to do it from home if they want to.
What the best performers rhetoric is about is that these companies are harming their long term prospects by doing things like this, since the personnel that make the most money for the company are generally the ones that can easily leave for another company that will not treat them like a child that needs to be directly monitored.
That’s not the argument. The argument is rather that good employees can easily find new and better jobs. So the remaining people are on average worse.
It’s also called Dead Sea Effect. The good ones evaporate, only salt remains.
They are saying the return to office mandate will cause the best performers (who are likely more confident in securing another job) to quit first, not that everyone shouldn’t be WFH.
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WFH was a £6.6k tax free bonus a year for me.
I hope it never ends
