Ive never met a Dutch person or been to the Netherlands nor do I consume any Dutch media. But this seems like something they would do. It seems the Dutch are extremely fair.
Like the Dutch man might be worried that if he doesnt charge his coworker something then his coworker will worry about paying him back in some way. So he gives him an easy out and bills him 50c.
The coworker actually scammed the Dutch guy because he didnt bill him for the car ride and now the Dutch man owes him something.
Sounds backwards considering it could have just been coffee for ride if there NEEDS to be a transaction. Not everything needs to be an even trade
Transactionalism is more proof that humanity has reached the point past where it is actually desirable.
What kind of civilization could such people build? Where they can’t do anything for another person, without giving them some ticket ti charge them?
I have done things for people knowing full well it is a gift, and that I have no right to ask for anything back.
This species disgusts me with it’s illusionary, fake righteousness.
Send one back. Check what a taxi would cost, plus a 10% convenience fee.
If it’s true it’s an exemption. Maybe some stupid stereotype. Definitely NOT typical for the Dutch. (I am non Dutch and live in the Netherlands).
If it is true, which I doubt, I think the fact OP is Belgian should account for it being a joke. Belgians are the butt of the joke in that region the same way ‘Irish logic’ is a joke in the UK.
It’s the other way around. The Dutch are the joke in Belgium because of them always being cheap.
I believe it must go both ways then. The Dutch very much make fun of the Belgians.
It obviously goes both ways.
Belgians are stupid. Dutch are cheapskates.
Hey, i have extremely distant relatives in all of these places. I take offense.
‘ Irish logic’ is a joke in the UK.
I’m Irish and never heard of that
‘Irish logic’ is where things are backwards, in a specific way. It’s kind of a single mindedness. Usually it’s a misunderstanding-based joke, not exactly stupidity, but a silly perspective. E.g. it takes more Irishmen to change a light bulb because one holds it and the others swing the ceiling round.
I’m first generation Irish immigrant, and my family loves these kinds of jokes, we don’t see it as hateful. But I wouldn’t tell them around any old Irish person.1 to hold the bulb, 2 to turn the ladder
I find this amazing. My school was full of jokes like: What’s the latest Irish invention? An inflatable dart board.
you must have been too drunk /s
Same, I am used to being the punch line in various jokes but I’ve never heard it referred to as “Irish Logic”.
Guessing this is a Belgium (Flemish) vs. Netherland joke.
Like Norway jokes about Swedes, and every other random neighboring countries you care to mention
send the tikkie back for the gas.
Hmm, you spoke to me on the ride? Here’s my consulting fee for the length of it.
Sure, here’s 50 cents for the coffee.
Now here’s the bill for the ride, the seat cleaning where you sat, the new air freshener since that’s obviously been used now, my consulting fee, conversation fee, silence fee, and an additional 47.30 for various small consumables like oil, coolant, washer fluid…
Adds up to 1.846,97EUR for the day. You can send that whenever.
Oh right, almost forgot the €200 calculation fee.
Also it’s a 30% interest rate per day for late fees
OK so I understand the Dutch have a reputation, but if you are making your ride wait on you because you aren’t ready at the appointed time - nevermind the fact that your ride isn’t charging you for gas (one hopes, since OP is going anyway and offered to pick him up, to do so would be just as rude as the coffee) - it would just be too unbelievably outrageous to bill them half a Euro. I have to conclude that this is ragebait.
Bill him an equal amount for the ride.
I simply presumed the whole thing exchange was a joke.
It is funny though (especially for me as a Dutchman)
You made me laugh, that cost me a couple of calories. I’m sending you a tikkie for 5 cents.
Hes probably sitting there waiting for it to come through
For all who don’t know, Tikkie is/was the Dutch equivalent of Venmo/PayPal.
Also this is one of the few rare real green texts. The correct reply in this case is just to send them an overinflated tikkie back. For example 5 euro for the ride since hey, your car depreciates during the ride! Seriously… 50 cents for a cup of coffee, even in this economy.
I’m sending a tikkie for 30 euros for making me look at your wife, it wasn’t pleasant.
I’d pay the 0.50 euro as soon a possible without a word.
Then never offer to drive to do anything with them again.
I’ve found that people who do this are either doing it as a joke and will let you know right away … or they are dead serious and it’s the kind of person you really want to avoid in every kind of way.
I would have paid it and then charged him $1.50/km for the ride
Eh. Yeah, but at least you know where you stand with them, and everything will be strictly business. If there’s some business-like value to keeping the relationship, then just treat it like a business relationship, and see how it goes. I wouldn’t bail on someone like this for that alone, but I wouldn’t hang out with them as friends either.
Yep, exactly.
If they can have a sense of humor about it, probably a decent, if cheeky, somewhat assholish, but maybe in an endearing / self-aware way, kind of person.
If they cannot?
Avoid avoid avoid avoid avoid.
They’re an entitled manipulator, and have absolutely no respect for you.
Or maybe it’s just cultural differences with a pinch of autism. TBH I’m not quite clear on how “Dutch” the guy in OP’s story is or where this even takes place, but AFAIK this would be completely normal behavior among friends and acquaintances in the Netherlands.
As a Dutch person , I have heard of behaviour like this before, but I wouldn’t consider it normal. Most dutch people would consider this asshole behavior. If you offer something, either you name a price up front or you don’t get anything for it.
Is asking for money for coffee in your home not considered assholish prima fascia in the Netherlands?
Here in the US within the bounds of the home food and drink that is offered is expected to be a gift, and if you charge for anything it’s admission to a party or you pass a hat around for people to pay what they can. Typically though it’s either basic hospitality for small things or you should give in kind (bring a dish or some alcohol to share) for parties.
It is. I’d be very weirded out of anyone wanted money for a drink at their house, but not as angry as when they would send a payment request afterward.
Question for you (completely off topic from your conversation with the other person). How believable is this story without broodje hagelslag being served? I need to know how accurate my Dutch lessons are.
Without broodje hagelslag, this story is completely unbelievable. Broodje hagelslag is the cornerstone of Dutch culture.
LOL, hagelslag is just something to put on your bread like peanut butter or cheese. Some like it, some don’t, but I wouldn’t offer a coworker breakfast if they were to pick me up for work.
On-topic; this story is the kind of thing you hear about, but never experience. It’s something that could almost happen, but you’d have to be a cheap skate by Dutch standards to actually do this.
Ik heb geen hagelslag in huis. Wel koffie. Ik zou een collega wel koffie aanbieden, maar geen Tikkie sturen.
Dankjewel, ook geen koekjes?
Als ik ze heb bied ik ze wel aan, maar koekjes overleven in ons huis nooit heel lang
Sowieso geen stroopwafel.
https://dutchreview.com/expat/tikkie-netherlands/
Tikkie is an online payment app that allows you to forward payment requests to people via WhatsApp or pay through a QR code.
I hope that, if this isn’t fake and gay, it was just for the lulz.
Either that or dude expected to receive one himself for the gas.
It may have even been a prompt to send one for the gas. That seems a bit indirect for Dutch, but Dutch directness sometimes seems to take surprising forms.
Am Dutch, I would offer to pay for gas while in the car. I would also not ask money for a coffee, even more when it was offered because I would have been late. Which wouldn’t have happened.
This comment is peak Dutch
Dutch relatives. He was serious. My grandpa used to damage soup cans in the grocery store, then demand a discount on them.
Am Dutch, this is too relatable. Fucking hilarious
Sounds fake. Caricature.
Maybe this is just a weird Dutch way to offer to pay for gas?
No it’s not.
But what if it were
It’s not. The Dutch are too direct for that.
Yeah but what if
No
OK but consider if
of course the dutch would have an app like that, what an incredibly toxic nation
Yes because only “toxic” nations have an online payment app …
I think most countries have a service for that. Also, we’re not all like that in the Netherlands.
